Quote Originally Posted by Richter View Post
In the end, nothing will change. People like this lead very very sad lives and continue to lead their very very sad lives after it happens.
At the end of the day, who is wasting more time? The people enjoying the discussion or the people trying to prevent them from having it?

Quote Originally Posted by Richter View Post
Everyone's done what they can to make it clear how stupid and unwanted this jerkoff contest is between them.
Pretty ironic considering we are on a website dedicated to jerking off. I guess your jerking off is more productive than ours?

Anyway, it seems people are simultaneously not interested in our discussion and can't stop themselves from reading it, so I guess its best saved for another time or place. Thus I will try and resist the temptation to bring up any more points/rebuttals. If anyone is interested the following is some good information for the male feminist:

Gender Issues - Focusing on Men


Here are a list of resources for male feminists, including reading recommendations for men by men, and sites that address the problems faced by men in American society.


http://www.achilleseffect.com/ Achilles Effect is a great resource if you want to learn more about gendered messages that are specifically targeting boys and what is happening because of them. It also includes great analysis of the problems young men face growing up exposed to gendered media and some things that can be done to counter it.

http://malefeminists.com/ Covers a variety of topics, including men active in the feminist movement, current events that men are supporting and the necessity of exploring both the roles of men and the roles they are expected to play in order to foster the freedom for both genders to express themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...d&v=3exzMPT4nGI

Tough Guise: A Crisis in Masculinity explores men's roles in society, race, violence, and what has occured to foster the current culture of masculinity that traps men into particular roles and stereotypes. This is part 1 of a 7 part series.

The Gender Knot: Unraveling Our Patriarchal Legacy by Allan Johnson. This book is a good introduction to feminism for both men and women, but it is especially useful for men. The author carefully examines feminist issues from the perspective of a man and provides insight into what can be done to combat patriarchy, misogyny and entrenched gender roles.

The Masculine Self by Christopher Kilmartin. Although this book does not solely focus on feminism, it serves the critical role of examining men's issues and the concept of masculinity in modern culture. The author breaks down what it means to be a man in Western society, and how this matches up with scientific research and goals of equality.