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[Richter]

A bunch of guys on a jerk-off fetish board trying to seem intellectual about feminism.

[bbbb]

If that's the case, then your problem isn't with feminism, its with sexist women. Do they exist? Sure. But if they aren't identifying themselves or their ideas as feminist then I'm not sure why you're assuming their sexism has anything to do with feminism.

For one, feminist initiatives offers women the opportunity & excuse to be sexist without any comeback, so they (feminists) encourage sexism against men & boys.

...the people I know find a woman assaulting a man just as bad as the other way around.

Really, if this were true (you're clearly implying the average feminist here) then USA would have VAPA (Violence Against People Act) - but no, feminists demanded that women be elevated above men so we're left with a sexist VAWA.

False **** accusations also really hurt the feminist cause so naturally they are against women making them. You must know some pretty horrible people if they think the way you have made out.

And yet, they keep demanding we all focus on rap3 alone as well as hypothetical r4p3 and let's not forget the imagined numbers they rely on (repeatedly disproven) in order to justify their claims that 'all' men are rapists and we live in a 'r4p3 culture' (where all men approve of r4p3, allegedly).

Who is it that determines jail time?

That's not what I asked, you're clearly avoiding a simple question to which we both know the answer...
NO feminist has EVER pushed for equal jail terms. In fact, the absolute opposite is true. Feminists have repeatedly demanded preferential treatment of female criminals. Harriet Harman, England's former acting Prime Minister pushed to close all women's prisons & open more men's prisons. If that isn't a clear call for sexism, what is?

Uh, yes? So do extremist Christians. It doesn't mean the whole movement is like that.

Right, but whereas feminists keep making headway with their demands to make all men responsible for a minority (which they portray as all men), extremist muslims don't get anywhere.
And really, we shouldn't even be calling these people extremists, they're not extreme feminists - they're typical. Extremist feminists are the radicals.. you know, the ones calling for murder of all men save 10% for reproduction purposes. They've called for pregnant women carrying male babies to be poisoned so as to abort the child, and so on & so on. That is extreme... the constant waves of anti-male sexism is normal feminism, not extreme feminism.

Men are also the primary perpetrators of violence, against both men and women. So who has the change for things to improve? The women?

Actually, two big points here.

In terms of intimate violence, women initiate 70% - but feminists keep forgetting to mention that.
And if you want to put that mentality on the block, how about we dig further... Most victims of assault are black males between the ages of 15-25. Most of those committing the assaults are also black males between the ages of 15-25.

Shall we ignore blacks victims of muggings now or would that be racist?
Your mentality stinks that you think it's acceptable that men should have no support just because it's likely that it was a male who committed the offense. That IS your sexism that you as a feminist sympathizer can't even comprehend... Why can't you see your own sexism? Because that would acknowledging the flaws of feminism and admitting to being in the wrong; something feminists never do.

The problem is that not doing that isn't difficult. However for women practically anything they do can be interpreted as 'inviting ****'. Being out at night, being alone with a man, wearing nice clothes, flirting. In order to not get blamed they have to not have a life.

R4p3 is fortunately a rare crime to be committed, nowhere near the blatantly exaggerated 1/4 figure feminists keep lying about. The vast majority of women do not get raped. Lying that men are constantly two-seconds away from r4ping a woman just because she's in a short skirt is blatantly disgustingly sexist of you and your feminist friends.

Besides, even if you were running down the street trying to get mugged it doesn't make the mugging your fault.

Keep in mind what you said earlier about ignoring male victims due to the assumed-sex of their attacker.

Its still the mugger that was doing something wrong. We should be focusing on stopping the r@pist rather than trying to make women live in fear. Since the majority of r@pes are carried out by someone the woman knows most of the 'advice' is useless anyway.

I do agree with this, but all these campaigns designed to make innocent men feel guilty are doing nothing to help either. Same with the domestic violence campaigns, the constant portrayal of male abuser & female victim is sexist and wrong at every level - yet feminists continually design & approve them.

[jabby]

For one, feminist initiatives offers women the opportunity & excuse to be sexist without any comeback, so they (feminists) encourage sexism against men & boys.

Not in my experience.

Really, if this were true (you're clearly implying the average feminist here) then USA would have VAPA (Violence Against People Act) - but no, feminists demanded that women be elevated above men so we're left with a sexist VAWA.

VAWA is badly named, since it does offer protection to men as well. However who named it and was responsible for its creation? Who passed it? A government almost entirely composed of white men. However you blame women for this?

NO feminist has EVER pushed for equal jail terms. In fact, the absolute opposite is true. Feminists have repeatedly demanded preferential treatment of female criminals.

Please give some examples of demanding preferential treatment for the same crime, and source your claim that Harriet Harman wanted to close "all women's prisons".

Again you are blaming women for the actions of elderly white men, namely the judges. Feminists want equal treatment, and these judges are not treating people equally, but you think feminists support this. Please answer: why do you think these elderly male judges are treating women differently? Are they all feminists?

Your mentality stinks that you think it's acceptable that men should have no support just because it's likely that it was a male who committed the offense.

A complete strawman, I never said anything like that. Men deserve support just as much as women do. But saying women should stop campaigning against violence because they don't suffer as much as we do is ridiculous. Maybe you should campaign against violence too rather than trying to prevent other people doing it?

Lying that men are constantly two-seconds away from r4ping a woman just because she's in a short skirt is blatantly disgustingly sexist of you and your feminist friends.

Again, nothing like what I said. In fact you brought up the idea that if a woman does certain things she is responsible when she gets r@ped. Surely that implies that men can't control themselves? I am the one saying women should be able to do whatever they like still have all the blame placed on the r@pist, because he chose to do and the fact she was wearing a short skirt makes no difference.

I do agree with this, but all these campaigns designed to make innocent men feel guilty are doing nothing to help either.

I actually used to think like this, and get offended when material assumed all men were potential r@pists. But remember that women are constantly bombarded with information that assumes they are all potential r@pe victims. There was a good study done a while back that showed a large number of men had ****** themselves sexually on a woman, but none of these men considered themselves r@pists. Probably because they didn't fully understand what r@pe was. So now I don't think these campaigns are such a bad idea. They aren't trying to make you feel guilty, they are trying to educate people who don't think ******* themselves on a woman is r@pe.

[Sockmess]

Feminist do not want equal treatment. They want preferred treatment as in keep their advantages and where women are at a disadvantage, have it made equal.

[Richter]

Best case scenario is one of you jerk offs on a fetish message board convince another jerk off on a fetish message board that you are correct about something that doesn't concern either one of you and has nothing to do with the fetish message board.

[mick_sl8ter]

A bunch of guys on a jerk-off fetish board trying to seem intellectual about feminism.

Spiderman proves there is a relation between exposure to stupidity and cancer, how do you come up with this

Feminist do not want equal treatment. They want preferred treatment as in keep their advantages and where women are at a disadvantage, have it made equal.

Below you see an example of how to deal with this disease.
A shotgun is required.


You could always fall back to medieval practices.
Kill it with fire ! Works like a charm !

[bbbb]

Not in my experience.

So you've never once heard a feminist claim to the effect that men have ruled for two-thousand years, now it's women turn.. or the infamous 'all men are bastards' lines? Nothing of sort.. mmmk, I believe you.

VAWA is badly named, since it does offer protection to men as well. However who named it and was responsible for its creation? Who passed it? A government almost entirely composed of white men. However you blame women for this?

Wrong, VAWA specifically prohibits funding any programmes that support male victims. The title is sexist, the policies are primarily geared towards what one could call 'male crimes' whilst ignoring (as ever) female crimes against men (sexual assault, paternity fraud, etc.)
And whilst Jo Biden did write up VAWA, he did so under feminist demands.. Stop blaming men for feminists (not women) demands to be elevated above men & children. I note how you imply one of two things above... 1) Either you suspect no man can be a feminist (hence you claim I'm attacking 'women' when I've repeatedly stated 'feminist', or 2) You're trying to pretend I have an issue with women simply because I disagree with the misandry & bigotry of feminism.

Please give some examples of demanding preferential treatment for the same crime, and source your claim that Harriet Harman wanted to close "all women's prisons".

OK, in England r4p3 is a male-only crime. It requires 'penetration' and doesn't include engulfment. So currently a woman can literally r4p3 a man and not be found guilty of the charge. The only exception is if she uses an instrument to penetrate someone. Recently that law was under review - the only group who opposed it was feminists, insisting that only men should be guilty of rap3. Similarly, in Egypt the same thing occurred, feminist groups went mad because the law was about to give women equal accountability with men... they didn't want equality, they want to be above the law. This is why feminists demand 'battered woman syndrome' so a woman can kill a man and so long as she claims to have been in fear, it affords her an excuse for execution.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-decade.html

Instead, killers such as Rose West ? serving life for the murder of ten young women and girls ? would be sent to "homely" local custody units.

All the women's jails would shut within the next decade, and could instead be converted into prisons for men.

Note how despite the fact most male criminals in jail have similar issues (family members, are vulnerable themselves, drug addictions, etc.) no support is being recommended - just more prisons. My apologies for the wrong name, Harriet Harman supports it, not created the notion.

Again you are blaming women...

Stop lying please, I blame feminist lobby groups - not women. Now please discontinue with your lies.

...for the actions of elderly white men, namely the judges.

Who are bombarded with feminist lobby groups demands. Why do you insist on blaming men for feminists demands? Are you seriously so incapable of not allowing a feminist to take responsibility for their actions?

Feminists want equal treatment,

But their actions suggest otherwise.

and these judges are not treating people equally, but you think feminists support this. Please answer: why do you think these elderly male judges are treating women differently? Are they all feminists?

Why do I think male judges give women softer sentences? I've already answered that... they upholding feminist lobby group demands. However, there is also an element of chivalry - I've yet to see a single feminist demand equality in this area. Why do YOU keep ignoring that fact?

But saying women should stop campaigning against violence

Will you stop lying please? I haven't said women should do or not do anything... I've talked about feminists, not women. Are you not able to comprehend the difference between a sex and an ideology?
If feminists were campaigning to stop violence, I'd be all for it - but they don't - they campaign to portray only men as abusers & only women as victims, blatant sexist hate speech which is undeniably untrue. Women initiate 70% of IPV abuse, not men. Women also dominate the child abuse statistics, some 3x more likely to abuse than a man is... Where is the feminist outrage at women ? There is NONE.. Why? Because it isn't about protecting people from violence, it's about promoting bigotry & lies about men.

In fact you brought up the idea that if a woman does certain things she is responsible when she gets r@ped.

Excuse me? Where the hell did I say that...?

There was a good study done a while back that showed a large number of men had ****** themselves sexually on a woman,

One I am aware of was a South African study, performed by a feminist no less (feminist studies have a long, long history of manipulating data & results). She claimed 50% of men had admitted to r4ping women in her study. Unsurprisingly, the word 'r4p3' had not been used once so there's a distinctly bad taste about this study right away. Even in Koss' study, 73% of the 'r4p3' victims she had classified as victims did NOT consider themselves as victims and over half were still dating their 'r4pist' a year later.

[dark]

Since the conversation is getting too serious...
What you guys think of the riots in South Europe and South America?

Also there is an increase of nationalism in Europe (Sweden, England, Greece, France to name a few) . Is it because of illegal immigration or Europe failed to become United States?

Just kidding

[jabby]

OK posts are getting a bit long and complex. To try and boil it down:

- Who are these feminist lobby groups and how do they have so much power over politicians, judges, etc.?

- Regarding VAWA, I refer you to the wikipedia article on it: "Its coverage extends to male victims of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking."

- I agree, the law in England should be changed, however a woman would still be guilty of sexual assault. I haven't seen anything showing that feminists are opposed to changing it however.

- The prison stuff is interesting, but it was described as controversial. We are now six years on and women's prisons are still open.

I think the real question is how do you define a feminist? You talk a lot about feminist lobby groups and how feminists are behind this or support that but provide no real evidence of it. Maybe a few articles or whatever but certainly not some kind of mass movement with thousands of people behind it. Meanwhile there are plenty of 'moderate' feminists out there who wouldn't do any of the things you are saying yet you are lumping them all together.

[Richter]

It's really weird that this is more on topic than your bullshit.

[bbbb]

It seems to me, you've cut this short because you don't want to acknowledge the points I've addressed which you know are true. As I said, it's my experience when a feminist (or sympathizer) is caught out - they use distraction or censorship.

- Who are these feminist lobby groups and how do they have so much power over politicians, judges, etc.?

Regarding VAWA, I refer you to the wikipedia article on it: "Its coverage extends to male victims of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking."

Changes came in after numerous requests by men's groups which were fought against by feminist groups.

I agree, the law in England should be changed, however a woman would still be guilty of sexual assault. I haven't seen anything showing that feminists are opposed to changing it however.

I'll have a look up for it, it was posted on numerous MRA forums & the feminist category on mumsnet was going insane with posts about it.

I think the real question is how do you define a feminist? You talk a lot about feminist lobby groups and how feminists are behind this or support that but provide no real evidence of it. Maybe a few articles or whatever but certainly not some kind of mass movement with thousands of people behind it. Meanwhile there are plenty of 'moderate' feminists out there who wouldn't do any of the things you are saying yet you are lumping them all together.

I let feminists define themselves. Only yesterday on Facebook I was talking with a friend on a post in a group I wasn't affiliated with. It spoke about a bunch of men discussing women's reproductive rights and she thought (the woman in the image) she was still in 1920... He put a point forward that men don't have equality in terms of reproduction. Instantly three feminists (all openly stating themselves as) ranted on him for being out of touch and then went on about men's violence (ignoring women's violence) to distract from his factual point and eventually resorted to banning both he & I despite the fact neither of us once relied on insults or cursing while the three feminists did.
Similarly, (link) demonstrated feminist censorship and focus. Several man-friendly posts were deleted despite not being rude or crude, they simply poitned out some double standards and over generalizations by feminists. Yet, while civil posts were deleted by the moderator/author (Jessica Valenti), posts by feminists which were blatantly sexist and hateful were kept. Shocked, no nor was I.

Any male raised decently would not treat women and girls as anything less than equal.They would have respect for them and never degrade them by words or actions.

I do not care about violence against men ...

Males commit almost all the violence in this society. The nation's prisons are filled with male prisoners. I do not feel sorry for them, and I do not give a hoot about purported violence against men.
The overwhelming majority of violence perpetrated against males is by other males. The male sex does not understand any language other than violence.

Violent men, if they can be called men, which is a stretch, are violent towards both sexes.There is something inherently wrong with the male brain. It cannot be as developed when violence is the answer to everything.

However, most of the male sex is not worth a woman's spit.

Note how she specifies "anything less than equal" but doesn't afford men the same, demonstrating she seeks a minimal of equality but will be happy if they (women) are treated as superior.
One of the feminist icon sayings is "a woman can do anything a man can do at least as well as a man.." -note the superiority complex rearing again? A woman is 'at least as good as a man' -meaning the best man is only as good as the worst female but the best woman will always be ahead of the worst man.

Feminism has shown us, through it's actions & demands, that it is sexist. It isn't about equality else we'd have VAPA instead of VAWA - blaming men for feminist demands is not going to resolve the problem.

[kdunstfan]

Hey, I know! You guys should swap emails or pm each other so you don't pollute the forum with this garbage.


Thanks!

[stman]

Circle the correct answer. In the case of more than one, circle all available.

A [MRA / creationist / chemtrail theorist] walked up to a [feminist / atheist / meteorologist] who had been reading, studying and practicing [intersectionality / biology / atmospheric sciences] for years and began to tell them how they and all their peers were responsible for [SCUM manifesto / Social Darwinist / evil government] plans to [abuse men / kill ethnicities / poison all of us with strange chemicals], and how we all secretly knew this was true, based on [websites with angry people / the Piltdown Man / a youtube video].

The [feminist / biologist / meteorologist] realized that the opponent was so emotionally invested in believing strawmen that the hours it would take to dismantle them was pointless, and said 'Fuck it, let em win, I don't get paid enough for this shit, you can't argue with people who make it their goal in life to make you look bad,' slapped on a bit of CBT and went to bed.

[Richter]

They can't do it privately. They need the possibility that someone will agree with them so they won't seem so sad and pathetic.

[jabby]

Changes came in after numerous requests by men's groups which were fought against by feminist groups.

You still haven't told me who these feminist lobby groups are or how they have so much power over politicians/judges etc. Surely if they are so massive and organised there would be clear evidence of who they were and what their policies were.

It spoke about a bunch of men discussing women's reproductive rights

Maybe the problem was that a bunch of men were discussing women's reproductive rights as if they should have power over them? Wouldn't you be offended if a bunch of women were talking about how all men should be ****** to donate sperm or some other thing that meant we didn't have control over our bodies?

Similarly, (link) demonstrated feminist censorship and focus.

I don't see the problem with removing 'jokes' about **** and domestic violence from facebook.

You are also completely misinterpreting people. 'Nothing less than equality is acceptable' clearly states that the equality is satisfactory and being less than equal isn't good enough. It says nothing about wanting to being superior. If they wanted superiority then equality wouldn't be acceptable would it?

They can't do it privately. They need the possibility that someone will agree with them so they won't seem so sad and pathetic.

Dude, its one thread. No-one is ******* you to read any of it.