********** (fantasies, stories, pics, methods, etc.)

[ridgel1n9]

Before I begin, I offer my apologies to the readers of this thread. This thread's title is "********** (fantasies, stories, pics, methods, etc.)". From this I did not expect my posting of two publically available (at the time) videos (the first is taken from the movie Eden Valley) to be so disruptive. As I remarked elsethread, I find the subject morbidly fascinating. I was hoping to stir some discussion of the emotional and ethical issues involved. But all it did was get me called a child molster, cause hostility between regular posters, and show me that people are more (willfully?) ignorant about the reality of the subject than I had thought. I will refrain from injecting reality into this thread after this reply, and I regret my previous doing so. Sorry folks. But first, I just have to rebutt several things in Ace Hardlight's post and I ask that if you doubt what I have said about the subject in this or my previous posts that you check with Google, the library, or other reference.

Second, many farm animals are sterialized every day. It makes sure that unsafe and unpredicted mating habbits do not form between the farm animals.

Yes. And the other reason is because it makes the animal docile.

Usually farmers just cut the vas deferens so it sterializes the animal

Um, this is just plain WRONG. They remove the testicles vs. just cutting the vas deferens because the advantages of the behavior changes of the former to the farmer outweigh the costs (some of which you list) of the latter to the animal in almost all cases.

Not only does this disrupt negative feedback systems of hormones in the body [stunting growth, weakening of muscles] but it also leads to osteo perosis [I don't know if I spelled this right][weakening of the bones and bone marrow production: both red and yellow].

Yes, those are some of the other effects.

And all of the infections from cutting with metal tools in an unsanitary place may result in heavy infections that are not only contageous to the other animals, but to also the farmers themselves!

Nevertheless, a large percentage of castrations of farm animals are so performed. For what it's worth, US law is much more tolerant about the non-use of anesthesia during such surgeries (another being the tail docking of sheep) than European countries, though thankfully we are slowly catching up.

This video may have been made for enjoyment, but I sure didn't enjoy it. And I don't know how anyone can even get turned on by it [but if you do, I guess it is whatever floats your boat in this world].

That's one of the things I was hoping for some discussion of: how can anyone get turned on by it? Yet obviously the girls in the video were enjoying it. The girl who posted it to youtube remarked in the comments (which were deleted even before the video was removed) that she posted it "on a bet". I'll always wonder exactly what the bet was.

Animal rights groups are cracking down because a lot worse than this happens to animals in this world. Yes, they may have been unsafely *********, but then again that doesn't mean that they will act completely different after their surgery.

Um, yes they will. See the previous link about behavioral changes. If you search hard enough, you can find articles by veterinarians explaining this is the reason they recommend neutering (**********) over a simple vasectomy.

Plus, those who shot the longer video were as steriotypical as they come. Just because you are a farmer does not mean you have to act that uninteligent.

That's another issue that bothers me. The people in the video weren't unintelligent, they were (to me) incomprehensibly inhumane. As Sulu asked Captain Kirk in That Which Survives, "How can such people be?"

Child molestation is a serious thing and ********** a horse isn't.

Most people would agree with you. I would argue they are deluding themselves.

Besides, they must have used a tranquilizer on it because if they didn't, everyone around the horse would have lost their lives [it is a 1200lb horse after all].

Not necessarily. The number of people holding down the animal's back combined with the leg ropes would make any movement very difficult even if he wasn't tranquilzed.

Yes! Humans are more like a virus more than anything else! Take that!

Well, at least we agree on something! :-)