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Feminists would be pissed off by this too. The main reason woman-on-man violence is seen as a joke is the idea that women are weak and men are strong, so the idea of a woman hurting a man is funny because men don't get hurt by women. If you get rid of the sexist stereotypes and think women and men are equal then violence is just as bad whoever its happening to.
Here are a few current feminist icons in a room talking about a man who's wife, after asking for a divorce, drugged him & tied him up. Then waited for him to wake up and then hacked off his penis and finally went all the way to ensure he could never have any kind of sex life again by putting it in a garbage disposal unit. Note the laughter, the vindictive joy they all (save one) take from the victims position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkl_oLSKQc

There is NOTHING stopping any woman doing similar and although still a fairly rare occurence in western cultures, it does happen a lot. In fact, that and ca$tration were a common punishment in years gone by, to which many women would eagerly applaude.
Note the apology, the barely-stifled laughter from Sharon & co.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkl_oLSKQc
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There are plenty of issues in the world and focusing on those that affect you the most does not mean you don't care about the others.
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Again, just because somebody focuses on the issues most meaningful to them doesn't mean they don't care about any other issues.
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Really you are just approaching this completely wrong. Rights are not a competition between men and women. Improving things for women doesn't make things worse for men.
My person gripe is that if they're (feminists) going to claim to seek equality, then it should be FULL equality, not this selective equality which is always to women's benefit or to men's detriment. So we should see feminists demanding equal jail terms or equal paternity leave for men. If they're going to focus so much on positive outcomes for women, they should declare this instead of lying about equality.

However, moving on... Re-read the above quotes again, about how focusing on x isn't necessarily bad for y and such... Then consider what you said recently, as quoted below:
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You mean some women are angry when instead of working towards equality men try and make everything about them, despite being incredibly privileged in society? No kidding.
So the typically feminist mentality of double-standards hasn't failed. You've basically stated it's fine for women to focus on women but it's terrible that men focus on men.
That's just yet-another area feminism demonstrates it's intolerance for open debate. They can't go and just talk about the issues, they bawl & scream, demanding they alone be heard and the men stfu. And what do they blame everything on? MEN.
Feminism IS sexism of the highest extreme.

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However the fact that you think things like abortion rights, slutwalks and r@pe shield laws are bad things shows that you don't like women very much and probably think of them as second class citizens. Which is a more likely reason for your hatred of feminism than 'they are all nazis'.
However, that you don't think things like paternity fraud, parental rights, the boys crisis, suicide rates are bad things shows that you don't like men very much and probably think of them as second class citizens. Which is a more likely reason for your hatred of MRA's than 'they only think about men's issues', you know, just like feminists only think about women's issues.

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The Fourth Wavers are the ones most active on the internet, while the Third Wavers are the ones most active in the universities. I wouldn't characterise the Fourth Wave as based on "hate" so much as it is based on *anger*. That is, they're used to seeing violence against women trivialised and ignored, and they're pissed off about it and trying to do something to change that. And they may even be succeeding. Though yes, many of them are not exactly being reasonable, and some can fairly be described as bigots.
So given the video above, you can see why MRA's are angry when feminists continually trivialize male rap3 victims (of women and other men), male victims of domestic violence and invade & abuse men's support groups as in the other videos from my previous post.

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It reflects how men and women are treated differently by society. Society, not feminists. Feminists would want men and women to be treated equally.
So it begs the question why they trivialize male victims of DV. It also brings to light begs the question, contrary to your other claims, as to why they promote only the 'man abuser' & 'woman victim' meme and demands laws that state 'women' and take no issue with funding female-only support groups. IF feminists wanted men & women treated equally as you claim, they would speak out against this mentality - instead, they promote it.

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...not that everyone walking past that day (men and women) happened to be a man-hating feminist.
But you'll note the woman who openly rejoiced.
She claims she is 'pretty nice all the time, I should've done what she done', yeah, she demonstrated how nice she is by rejoicing in seeing a male victim of abuse. Repeatedly in this video we see women assuming the man 'must have done something to deserve it'. Don't you think, when women are systematically glazed over with images of 'bad man/victim woman', it just might alter their perceptions of men & women? Even just a little..?

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One from the Vaults, nice to see another educated man here. This forum can be pretty misogynist at times. :P
This forum is based in misandry. If we had a forum on cuntbusting, that would be misogyny. This one is misandry. Not everything is about women, you know...


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Please learn how VAWA works beyond just looking at the name.
I have explained that groups which support male victims of DV are prohibited from receiving any funding. Add that to the title's sexism amongst the other elements & it's clear that VAWA is very sexist in more than it's title.
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Considering men find it easier to get hired and women only earn on average 80% of what men earn I don't think you need them.
I do hope your claim is based on ignorance rather than intention deception - again... The so-called wage-gap is an average which does NOT account for such trivial things like; hours worked (men on average work 14 hours more than women p/w), education, service time with the company, job type (e.g. a female cleaner of a small office building will obviously EARN less than an electrician risking his life 100+ft above the ground in various weather conditions), etc. etc. Pretending two people who do identical jobs with identical backgrounds in the same company just doesn't happen in today's world with the rarest of exception. In fact, as it is today, young women are paid more than their male counterparts... Until they have a baby (and before you blame men for women getting pregnant, remember men do NOT have abortion options and extremely limited reproductive rights & devices compared to women).
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No groups exist to help people who falsely accuse others...
NOW & iconic TV feminists have been known more than once to support false accusers even after they've been found to be lying. Look at Nancy Grace for an example.
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Women have been convicted of sexual assault yes.
Not to the same level as men. Women's sexual misconduct is typically excused, justified or trivialized. For instance, the recent Catherine Kieu Becker charges were reported in the papers. She wasn't charged with any sexual offences. MGM is perfectly legal in the western world as well as third world nations despite killing many babies and young men. Girls learn in school they can assault boys sexually and only on occasion face repercussions, whilst boys who ping a bra are suspended from school on the grounds of sexual harassment. Amazing double-standards, which feminists who you claim seek equality somehow manage to not say a word against it whilst focusing on the bad boys' behaviours alone.
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Look at how you tried to explain it as the woman failing to protect herself.
What? Please quote the precise words rather than putting words in my mouth - aka lying... again.
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Show me the law that says men should be treated more harshly, or the feminist support for such a thing.
I didn't say there was a law for it. I've repeatedly said that if feminists wanted TRUE EQUALITY they would speak out against it, yet they always manage to either excuse or justify or use misdirection (as you've done repeatedly in this thread) to avoid the parts of equality that don't suit them (you know, the parts where men might benefit or women might not benefit from equality).
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I already agreed that the law regarding r@pe in England should be changed, but you keep coming back to it as if it has anything to do with feminism. The law wasn't written by feminists.
Yes, streaking is another example that feminists know of an inequality yet remain strangely silent about despite claiming to want equality. There were others I raised too, not just r@p3, it is you who returns to only portion, not me.
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Blah blah Blah dem evul menz am alway privulidgeded but us womyn am alway so hard doned bye
If you want to see privileges... Look at THESE lists.

http://mensresistance.wordpress.com/...ege-checklist/
http://antimisandry.com/feminist-mis...html#post97703
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...list-8877.html


1. From an early age the opposite sex will be instructed never to hit me but I may not be given the same instructions. However, should I strike males I can expect not to be hit back and any social penalties that occur from my actions will actually fall on the male.

2. If I’m not smart, but pretty, I can marry and achieve the social and financial level of my husband without ever working.

3. I can produce offspring. A status which grants me an “essential” status in our species that men can never have and which can never be taken away from me even in old age.

4. Regardless of my mate value society has organized fertility clinics and social welfare programs that will allow me to have children and provide for them should I choose to reproduce without a mate or marriage.

5. I not only have the more valuable and sought after sexual identity, but I also have complete control over my reproductive choice and in many ways over the reproductive choice of the opposite sex.

6. At any time I can abandon my parental responsibilities with little or no social stigma and hand the child over to the state or abort the pregnancy. A male could never relieve himself of this burden unless I allow him to.

7. I am granted all the rights of a democracy without any of the burdens of military service.

8. At age 18 I lose the protective status of the child but retain the protective status of the female. Boys at age 18 lose the protected status of the child and become targets if they fail to gain status after that point.

9. When I marry a man with status I can take his name and become whoever he has spent years becoming. I need not do anything special to be worthy of receiving the reputation he has built. However, if I wish to keep my own name I can do so. Should my husband feel the sting of this insult I can simply call him a sexist for it.

10. People will help me more when I’m in need and I will receive no social penalty or stigma for it.

11. When I’m on a date things will be paid for me.

12. When I search for employment I can choose jobs which I think are fulfilling without concern of whether they provide a “family” wage.

13. I can discriminate against the opposite sex ruthlessly without social penalty.

14. If I marry and quit my job and enjoy a leisurely life with light housework and then later divorce I will be given half of the marital assets.

15. If I commit a crime and am convicted I will get a sentencing “discount” because of my gender. If I am very pretty it will increase my discount.

16. If I am a partner in crime with a man I will likely be charged with lesser crimes even though I committed the same crimes even if I was the ringleader.

17. I have the option to be outraged if my husband asks me if my behavior is due to PMS and later on use PMS as a successful legal defense for murdering that same husband.

18. At age 18 I will not be ****** to register for Selective Service and will not be penalized for failing to do so.

19. At a time of war I will never be drafted and ripped from my employment, home, and family and ****** to become a military slave.

20. My feelings are more important than men’s lives. Every precaution will be made to protect me from harassment at work. However, males will make up nearly %100 of workplace fatalities.

21. My gender controls 80% of domestic spending. We get to spend our money if we have any and we get to spend men’s money.

22. The majority of luxury apparel is designed, marketed to, and consumed by women.

23. Seven times as much jewelry will be purchased by or for me than by or for men.

24. I have a department of women’s health whereas men have no such department.

25. My gender enjoys more government spending on health than males do.

26. My gender consumes the lioness’ share of entitlement programs while men contribute the lion’s share of taxes.

27. If I **** or molest a child I can expect lighter treatment in court and afterwards receive less social stigma. What’s more, should I become pregnant, I can sue my victim for child support when he finally turns 18.

28. When I divorce my husband I will be guaranteed custody of my children unless I am deemed to be unfit. Even if my husband is “Parent of the Year” 10 years running it is unlikely he will get custody over me even if I am a mediocre parent.

29. When I divorce I can use false accusations of domestic violence, sexual molestation of the children or abuse of the children to gain advantage during court proceedings. If I am found out to be a liar I can expect to get away with it.

30. If a man calls me a slut it will probably hurt his reputation more than it hurts mine, but at any rate the damage will be small and localized. However, if I call him a child molester or claim that he raped me I can destroy him completely and the damage may be nationwide.

31. If I fail at my career I can blame the male dominated society.

32. I may have the luxury of staying home and being a housewife but if my sister’s husband does the same thing I’m likely to call him a deadbeat loser and tell her to leave him.

33. If I “choose” to join the military; the best military occupations providing the most lucrative civilian training will be reserved for me. I will be kept away from the fighting as much as possible to the point that I will be thirty times less likely to be killed in a war zone than my male counterparts. I will be given equal pay for less risk. I will never have to consider the fact that by joining the military and getting a plumb assignment I automatically ****** a male out of that position and into a combat role that may cost him his life.

34. If a male soldier injures himself before a deployment he can be arrested and court marshaled for it. If I deliberately get pregnant before a deployment or even during a deployment I will be reassigned and or taken out of a war zone and I will receive no penalty for it.

35. My gender watches more television in every hour of every day than any other group. This along with the fact that women control %80 of domestic spending means that most television shows and advertisement are designed to appeal to me.

36. I can wear masculine clothing if it pleases me however men cannot wear feminine clothing without social penalty.

37. Not only is there a wealth of clothing choices designed for me but it is likely that I will be able to afford or have them provided for me.

38. I can claim that a wage gap exists and that it is the fault of sexism while simultaneously seeking employment without considering income as a priority. I will probably choose my job based on satisfaction, flexibility of hours, and working conditions and then expect to make as much as the males working nights, out in the rain and cold or working overtime.

39. I can be bigoted or sexist against males without social penalty.

40. If I make a false claim of **** against a male in an act of revenge or in order to cover up my own scandalous behavior I may well succeed at both and he may spend years in prison. If I am found out it is unlikely I will be charged, convicted, or serve any time at all.

41. If I abuse my husband and physically assault him and the police arrive it is almost guaranteed he will go to jail.

42. If I am in an abusive relationship there are a multitude of social organizations to help me get away from him. There are few for men in the same position even though women initiate the majority of DV and even though men are hospitalized %30 of the time.

43. In the event of a natural disaster or other emergency that requires evacuation I can expect to be evacuated before males. This includes male doctors, humanitarians, politicians, captains of industry, billionaires, and religious leaders. I will receive no social penalty if all of those people died because I was evacuated first. However, should they manage to get evacuated before women and those women died they will all suffer a social penalty.

44. If someone is attacking a person on the street I have no obligation to assist them and I will receive no social penalty if I do nothing.

45. If someone is harming my children and I run away and ask someone else to help I will receive no social penalty for my cowardice.

46. I’m immune to cognitive dissonance.

47. I may denounce the concept of a dowry, however, I still expect a man to give me an engagement ring when he asks me to marry him.

48. I expect a man to ask me to marry me and suffer the potential risk of rejection.

49. If I lie it’s because I’m a victim of a male dominated society ****** into difficult circumstances and not because I’m a bad person.

50. If my boyfriend sabotages a condom he can pay me child support for the next 20 years. If I secretly don’t take my birth control my boyfriend can pay me child support for the next 20 years.

51. If I’m uncomfortable exercising around men I can demand a female only gym be made for women. If any male only gyms exist I can demand membership under threat of lawsuit.

52. If my female only gym at the university decides to close early for safety reasons I can scream sexism and force them to keep it open as long as the main gym.

53. If I succeed at keeping the female gym open and I leave late at night and I don’t feel safe I can demand that the university spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for more lighting and police presence.

54. If after getting new lighting and police protection I decide I don’t want to go to the gym anymore well that’s just my prerogative.

55. I’m likely to believe that if a woman is intoxicated she is not capable of giving consent and if sex occurs it is ****. However, if her male partner is also intoxicated he is capable of consenting.

56. If a man is promoted over me at work I have a right to suspect sexism even though I also believe that under adverse circumstances men are more capable than women of making good decisions. (see #55)

57. I can cry and get my husband to do something for me that he might not have done otherwise.

58. I expect people (especially men) to be sensitive to my feelings.

59. I can deny a man’s feelings or disregard them or ridicule him for having them without social penalty.

60. If I lose my job it’s because of sexism or the economy. If a man loses his job it’s because he’s a loser.

61. If I go to a club or bar with my girlfriends and I look my sexy best I have a right to be perturbed when men approach me and hit on me in this public place.

62. Even though men die more from prostate cancer than women die from breast cancer I can expect that twice as much funding is given for breast cancer. The same will apply to any female specific disease or malady.

63. If for some reason I do not get custody of my children I will be expected to pay less child support than another man in my exact same position.

64. If I kidnap my children and I am eventually caught I can successfully defend myself by claiming I was protecting them from my husband–even if my children were given to him to protect them from me.

65. My gender makes up %53 of the voting population yet when I see more men in political office I will call that sexism.

66. If I am married with children and I want to stay home with the kids I’m likely to blame my husband for not making enough to allow me to do that.

67. I think it is my right to work and I am unconcerned if the influx of women into the workforce has reduced overall wages to the point that it’s hard to support a family on just one income, or affirmative action has kept men from being promoted even though they deserved it.

68. I can get student financial aid without signing up for Selective Service (the Draft).

69. I can get employment with a federal agency without signing up for Selective Service.

70. Restrooms for my gender will be cleaner and are more likely to have flowers or other decorations.

71. If I’m caring for a child restrooms for my gender will more likely have a changing table for my convenience.

72. People I’ve never met before are more likely to open doors for me.

73. People I’ve never met before are more likely to talk to me in public.

74. If I go to a bar I can expect that members of the opposite sex will purchase drinks for me.

75. Anytime I find an organization just for men I can denounce it as sexism.

76. I believe that women should have organizations just for women.

77. If I meet a man that I like and I give him my phone number and he doesn’t call I have a right to think of him as an asshole.

78. If I meet a man that I like and I give him my phone number and he calls me I have a right to blow him off or act like I don’t know him.

79. I believe I have a right to live in an orderly and safe society but I feel no obligation to risk my safety to secure or maintain that society.

80. I like it when bars and clubs have drinks specials just for women.

81. I think that organizations that offer any discounts or privileges just for men is a clear sign of sexism.

82. If I’m white I will live 6 years longer than white males and 14 years longer than black males.

83. If I’m encouraged to get medical care it’s because I owe it to myself.

84. When my husband is encouraged to get medical help it’s because he owes to to me and the kids.

85. If something bad happens to me or just one woman I believe it is an offense against all women.

86. I believe that if something bad happens to a man it’s because he’s a loser.

87. I think that alimony is fair when paid to a woman but not fair when paid by a woman.

88. I’m more likely to believe that women who commit crimes are sick and need treatment or understanding whereas men who commit crimes are evil and should be locked up forever.

89. I can criticize the opposite sex without social penalty, but woe be to the man who attempts to criticize me or other women.

90. I can throw a fit and act like a two year old to get what I want without damaging my mate value.

91. I have the luxury of not being the filter for natural selection.

92. I can sleep with my boss if I want and afterwards I can sue him for sexual harassment.

93. I can wear seductive clothing and perfume to attract a man at work but no one will accuse me of sexual harassment.

94. If I hear a story about Darfur and how men who leave the refugee camps to gather wood are hacked to death to prevent their wives from being raped I am likely to think that is proper but not likely to send money.

95. If I hear a story about Darfur and how women are leaving the refugee camps to gather wood are being raped I’m likely to be outraged. I’m also likely to wonder why these women’s husbands aren’t protecting them.

96. If I ever heard these stories about Darfur it is my privilege not to care or even consider that the reason the second story exists is because all the men in the first have already been killed.

97. It is my right to maintain the belief that men oppress women despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

1. I’m under less pressure than others to engage in risky, dangerous and unhealthy behaviors - one of the reasons I get to live longer than others do.

2. I can choose professions that are less lucrative, and not be called a loser.

3. If I don’t rise to the top of my profession, it’s OK – people won’t judge me the less for it.

4. I’m entitled to the benefits of a safe, orderly society, but no one expects me to risk my personal safety to maintain it.

5. I have the right to have the overwhelming majority of personal risk suffered in defense of my country handled by others.

6. I’m allowed to avoid violence, and even run from it, without the risk I’ll be laughed at.

7. If I see someone else in danger, I’m allowed to stop and think carefully about my personal risk before saving them, without my courage being called into question.

8. I have the right to avoid risky, dangerous challenges, and not be called a coward.

9. I’m allowed to cry as a child and tell my parents I’m scared of something - my parents won't be disappointed with me.

10. I have the right to have most of the really dangerous professions handled by others.

11. If I commit a crime, I get less jail time than others would get for the exact same crime.

12. When I find myself with others in a terrifying, life-threatening situation, I have the right to be evacuated first, once the children are safe. Others can wait.

13. If I get slaughtered as part of some atrocity, people will be especially outraged and will call particular attention to the fact I was slaughtered. When others are slaughtered, it isn't quite as upsetting.

14. I have the right to give my child up for adoption, and thus totally repudiate any personal and financial responsibilities I might otherwise have.

15. I can choose whether I want to be a parent or not, knowing that society will compel the other parent to meet their financial responsibilities - whether they want to or not.

16. If I am personally attacked, I expect otherwise safe, otherwise uninvolved people to come to my defense.

17. If I see someone else being attacked, I’m not expected to risk my own safety to defend them. It's OK for me to wait for others to intervene, and it’s also OK for me to criticize others if they don’t.

18. In any dispute involving custody, I’m granted the presumption that I am the better, safer parent.

19. I have the right to interact with children not my own, and not have people look at me suspiciously.

20. If I choose to become a parent, people understand if I want to focus entirely on the personal, day-to-day care and nurturing of my children. Society expects my spouse to make enough money to make this choice possible.

21. I can get real nasty when someone makes me mad, and call them ugly, a loser, a nerd, a geek, a disgusting creep, a revolting little worm, a worthless piece of garbage, a scum bag, a wimp, a pervert, a jerk-off, an old fart, or a fat slob. After all, I have the right not to be treated meanly at work, and the right not to hear harsh things that might make me uncomfortable. I have legal recourse if that right is not respected, and I have the right to make this perfectly clear on my job interview.

22. I’m allowed to embrace and cultivate my spiritual qualities, and adopt a more elevated and more refined view of life - because other people handle all the "dirty work" like: yard work, garbage hauling, construction, fishing, mining, sewage disposal, street cleaning, long distance trucking, baggage handling, painting, sandblasting, and cement work.

23. If I fail at something, I can go to college and study the historical ****** and social constructs that make it harder for people like me. If others fail, it’s because they just don’t have what it takes.

24. If I fail at almost everything, I can always teach college courses that explain why people like me fail a lot.

If I marry, there is a very good chance that I will be given the option to quit my job and live off my husband’s* income without having my femininity questioned.
If I become pregnant, I and I alone choose whether to terminate the pregnancy or have the baby. As a result, I can be reasonably certain that I will never be held financially responsible for a child I didn’t want to have, and that I will never have my unborn child aborted without my consent.
Many employers, including the government, have policies specifically designed to privilege me over male candidates.
If my husband is unfaithful to me or abuses me, I will receive sympathy unmixed with derision.
I am significantly more likely to graduate from college than I would be if I were a man.
Moderately impaired social skills are not a serious impediment to my ability to achieve romantic and sexual fulfillment.
Although I am every bit as likely as a man to allow my sex drive to compromise my judgment, I will never be accused of thinking with my clitoris.
I can expect to pay a significantly lower premium for car insurance than a man with a similar driving record would.
If I commit a crime, I will likely be treated much more leniently in a court of law than would a man who had committed the same crime.
Men are expected to buy me drinks, meals, flowers, and jewelry in exchange for a chance to spend time with me.
Because I am not expected to be my family’s primary breadwinner, I have the luxury of prioritizing factors other than salary when choosing a career path.
***I have the privilege of being unaware of my female privilege.***

1. I have a much lower chance of being murdered than a man.

2. I have a much lower chance of being driven to successfully commit suicide than a man.

3. I have a lower chance of being a victim of a violent assault than a man.

4. I have probably been taught that it is acceptable to cry.

5. I will probably live longer than the average man.

6. Most people in society probably will not see my overall worthiness as a person being exclusively tied to how high up in the hierarchy I rise.

7. I have a much better chance of being considered to be a worthy mate for someone, even if I’m unemployed with little money, than a man.

8. I am given much greater latitude to form close, intimate friendships than a man is.

9. My chance of suffering a work-related injury or illness is significantly lower than a man’s.

10. My chance of being killed on the job is a tiny fraction of a man’s.

11. If I shy away from fights, it is unlikely that this will damage my standing in my peer group or call into question my worthiness as a sex partner.

12. I am not generally expected to be capable of violence. If I lack this capacity, this will generally not be seen as a damning personal deficiency.

13. If I was born in North America since WWII, I can be almost certain that my genitals were not mutilated soon after birth, without anesthesia.

14. If I attempt to hug a friend in joy, it’s much less likely that my friend will wonder about my sexuality or pull away in unease.

15. If I seek a hug in solace from a close friend, I’ll have much less concern about how my friend will interpret the gesture or whether my worthiness as a member of my gender will be called into question.

16. I generally am not compelled by the rules of my sex to wear emotional armor in interactions with most people.

17. I am frequently the emotional center of my family.

18. I am allowed to wear clothes that signify ‘vulnerability’, ‘playful openness’, and ’softness’.

19. I am allowed to BE vulnerable, playful, and soft without calling my worthiness as a human being into question.

20. If I interact with other people’s children — particularly people I don’t know very well — I do not have to worry much about the interaction being misinterpreted.

21. If I have trouble accommodating to some aspects of gender demands, I have a much greater chance than a man does of having a sympathetic audience to discuss the unreasonableness of the demand, and a much lower chance that this failure to accommodate will be seen as signifying my fundamental inadequacy as a member of my gender.

22. I am less likely to be shamed for being sexually inactive than a man.

23. From my late teens through menopause, for most levels of sexual attractiveness, it is easier for me to find a sex partner at my attractiveness level than it is for a man.

24. My role in my child’s life is generally seen as more important than the child’s father’s role.


1. I am physically able to give birth to another human being, and then do my best to mold her or him into the kind of person I choose.

2. I am not automatically expected to be the family breadwinner.

3. I feel free to wear a wide variety of clothes, from jeans to skimpy shorts to dresses as appropriate, without fear of ridicule.

4. I can choose to remain seated to meet most people.

5. I am not ashamed to ask for others’ perspectives on an issue.

6. I feel free to exhibit a wide range of emotions, from tears to genuine belly laughter, without being told to shut up.

7. My stereotypical excesses in shopping, clothes, jewelry, personal care and consumption of chocolate usually are expected, even the source of jokes.

8. Public policies generally offer me an opportunity to bond with my offspring.

9. I am among the first to get off a sinking ship.

10. I can usually find someone with superior strength to help me overcome physically challenging obstacles, such as changing a tire or cutting a huge Christmas tree.

11. Changing my mind is seen as a birthright or prerogative.

12. I feel free to explore alternate career paths instead of being bound to a single career ladder.

13. I am used to asking for help, around the kitchen table or the proverbial water cooler or the conference room.

14. People I’ve never met are inclined to hold doors open and give up their seats for me.

15. I can be proud of the skill I have worked to develop at stretching limited financial resources.

16. I am not ashamed of using alternatives to positional power to reach my goals.

17. I know how to put a new roll of toilet paper in use and am not above doing it for the next person.

18. I am not ashamed to admit that the decisions I make reflect my personal values.

19. I am not afraid to create and maintain honest relationships with others.

20. I do not fear being accused of having an ethic of care in my professional life.

21. When I enter an office, I am likely to encounter those who can help me “in low places.”

22. I am more likely to get hugs than handshakes, depending on the situation.

23. I am less likely to be seen as a threat, which allows me more subtle alternatives.

24. I can use men’s “sheer fear of tears” to my advantage.

25. I can complain that these female privileges are relatively minor compared with the vast assortment of dominant male privileges, but I wouldn’t change places for the world.

1. If I express negative feelings about something that is affecting me, either physically or verbally, people are more likely to see it as a legitimate problem that needs to be solved rather than a defect of my character.

2. I can rely on a greater likelihood that others will believe that a third party is the cause of my suffering rather than myself.

3. I can express my sexuality with significantly less likelihood of being seen as a threat to others.

4. I do not have to worry about my sexual attraction to others being perceived as blinding myself to or devaluing their character.

5. I can absorb aggressive, violent and/or male-dominated media and partake in aggressive, violent and/or male dominant behavior and be seen as a pioneer for my gender rather than a negative stereotype.

6. Autoerotic sexual activity is far less likely to be seen as a sign of my failure as a human being.

7. I can rely on advertisers and other media outlets proclaiming that I can be overweight and still be attractive.

8. I can rely on a greater likelihood of outcry and disdain over any negative opinions or statements or dismissal of privileges or respect regarding my physical appearance.

9. I can rely on there being outcry from a sizable section of society should someone of the opposite gender express disdain for anything pertaining to my gender or sex or any form of character assassination that relies on my gender or sex.

10. I can rely on the possibility of being granted media coverage should I ever go missing.

11. I am given less impetus to worry about growing up a social or sexual deviant based on my accomplishments in life or lack thereof.

12. I can be confident that I will be judged significantly less harshly for my sexual performance, and that such a thing will be far less likely to be used as an attack on my overall character.

13. Assertion of myself based on my gender is more likely to be seen in a positive light by mainstream society. Pride in my gender is far more likely to be as a sign of intelligence than a lack thereof.

14. I can speak on matters of gender where issues regarding my own are discussed with greatly decreased likelihood of being considered insecure, ignorant, overprivileged or insane. I can also have greater confidence that such views of mine will be accepted and, if not accepted, will be treated less harshly and result in less dire consequences.

15. I do not require as much reliance on the achievement of a significant other to prove the existence of moral character within myself.

16. My biological and hormonal makeup is less likely to be seen as impetus for a potential criminal threat.

17. I have significantly greater confidence in knowing sexist behavior or commentary committed against myself will be recognized as sexism, and that such sexism is unjustified.

18. I am given more reason to believe that someone, somewhere, outside my peer group, cares about me and is willing to look out for me and my best interests, based solely on my gender.


1) Career wise, I can complain about harassment and not laughed at or have my gender called into question by both genders.

2) I can skip a few years of employment and then return, demanding the same rises that others have had who remained employed. If my demand is not met, I can accuse the company of discrimination.

3) Even though I'm more likely to abuse children, I am perceived as sweet & innocent.

4) If I start a fight with a man, I can be guaranteed others will come to my defense - even if he isn't defending himself.

5) I can go to a bar and drink for free.

6) I almost never have to worry about being sexually harrassed by my boss as I can take him to the cleaners if he even tries it.

7) My ability to do a certain job will never come into question because of my gender.

8 ) I can fall on my gender as a sympathy vote if I run for politics.

9) I can marry someone based on thier financial or social status like it will actually empower me more.

10) I can sexually assault men and remain legally immune.

11) I can go out in public wearing almost anything without being harrassed or judged as I have a lot more options in clothing, whereas men are generally restricted in their 'acceptable' dress codes.

12) If I so happen to meet someone at a party, and decide to have sex, I would be viewed as being “empowered” and television even promotes this with programmes like "sex in the city".

13) I can sexually mutilate my male children and deprive them of a few thousand nerves which assist greatly in enhancing sexual pleasure.

14) My handbag is my world and get to have groups follow me for a simple pee.

15) I don’t have to worry about the father's opinion if I get pregnant, it's all about me!

16) I can bash men and no one bats an eye-lid, if a man bashes us women - we call him a misogynist and people will shun him.

17) I can date more than one man at the same time, and society would think I'm empowered.

18) I can put on the television and be safe in the knowledge that women are portrayed positively while men are portayed as idiots or abusers.

19) I am practically imune from legal repercussions for my actions as I have feminist groups coming to my saviour - even killing my children or husband.

20) I reproduce - that must be pretty awesome for guys to witness.

21) I can fake an orgasm... something almost impossible for a guy to do.

22) No pharmacist can claim the right to deny me any medicines I ask for at a drug store as I can claim discrimination. Of course, if I'm underage that's different - duh.

23) Even when I am acting within my gender role, I am GAINING from it, rather than being oppressed as I can CHOOSE to stay at home and enjoy watching the children grow up while my husband (assuming I bother to keep him around) works his ass off to keep a roof over our head.

24) If I go to church, I can attend knowing the folks are taught immeasurable levels of respect for me and it is meant to be mutual respect.

25) I don’t have to live up to expectations of how thin I am supposed to be - feminism freed me from such pettiness.

26) I get to use PMS as an excuse for murdering my children or husband.


Note, I'm not saying any privileges of either sex is women's fault or even feminists fault... BUT feminists DO blame men, as is so typical of them and as you have done over & over throughout this conversation.

The fact that feminists ignore AND deny female privileges even exist demonstrates their blatant sexism & ignorance of men's issues.














And as I pointed out earlier, feminism is now beginning to demand it be above scrutiny.



It takes a special kind of bigotry to think this way. I wonder how many 'moderate feminists' opposed this ?

Any..? Anyone..?